John Dummett said:
We cam all let this play out but those of us who were alive when the Shaw of Iran was deposed it turned out to be a disaster. Like then we have a loose loose situation. Back when the Shaw was in power he was replace by the Ayatollah. We all know how that turned out. Now is Egypt the fool who allowed Iran to press on with its quest for nuclear weapons sits in the wings to take power. To top that the Muslim Brotherhood who is closely alligned with the Iranian government is ready to pounce on the removal of Egypt's leader. If this happens Israel will be completely surrounded because the next takeover will occur in Jordan. I am running for President and I am of the opinion that we should not get ourselves embroiled in foreign entanglements. However we do have an friend in Israel and we just can't afford to allow the flow of energy to stop for even a day out of that region. What most people don't realize is the Suez cannal is over there and once Egypt falls that will be directly impacted. Here in the United States we have discovered a technologically available oil field that can meet the needs of the United States for the next two hundred years. We must start drilling there and end our need for foreign oil. The only thing we will have to worry about then is making sure that Israel is protected from the Arab world because if we fail to do that be absolute certain that Israel will defend itself with its nuclear arsenal and we will be held to blame by the Arab world. The one thing that is certain is Mubarrak is a done deal. He will go. We can only hope that the military takes over then will hold elections that will hopefully go in favor of anyone except for the Muslim Brotherhood. The Arabs in the region led by Iran is playing a masters game of chess and the people running this nation don't even know how to play checkers and most Americans can't even play tiddly winks.
I was very much alive when the 'Shah' (not shaw) of Iran was ousted, and I understand it's consequences. I also understand that we have vast energy resources that WE have chosen not to develop..but that is OUR problem, not theirs. WE, as a nation, have elected people that have refused to allow us to do so, making us reliant on the region for our energy...but that doesn't mean that we now get to interject ourselves into every energy producing nation's (either direct or indirect) internal affairs because we have been negligent in our responsibility to be self-reliant.
We also have a military alliance with Israel...I understand that, and would expect us to live up to the terms..but once again, even if we could influence what was going on in Egypt right now (and we cannot save for military intervention), there is no right side here (Mubarak vs. the unknown) that justifies our involvement, even considering our alliance with Israel.
Maybe this is the straw that turns Americans back to their original founding principles of minimal foreign involvement, probity and self-reliance as we face higher energy costs, a faltering economy and god forbid a middle east war. Maybe the Egyptians become a stable representative republic in the middle east...no one knows. But we ain't gonna change anything for the better now by intervening.
And don't sell your fellow Americans short...a large percentage of us know exactly what is going on.
Our government faces the enemy but does not see it, watking blindly into the fire of the great holy war rising up in flames; creating hell upon earth. Those in power in our government are dangerously opening not our doors of where fate awaits but they sign Israel's death warrant. Without Israel, Christainity shall also fall. Where is the passion for life, do we accept our fate or is the free will of all men alive ready to fight this holy war at all costs, the alternative being our death by an Islamic sword. I would rather die for freedom with my sword in hand and God at my side, then to die without trying.
We all know the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, had it not been for the Brits after WWII their strength never would be as it is today, in fact, it was at this time, within our power the Muslim Brotherhood could too be written in history as Hitler's fifth column defeated; yet history took a wrong turn, allowing our fate to hang for over 60 years, giving our generation the fate we face. Let us not be consumed by history, but remember it as a job left undone but a job we shall finish to the end; creating a better world for subsequent generations.
John Dummett said:
Instead of voting for a Community Organizer why don't you vote for someone who has a degree in Archaeology and History? At least I know what makes civilization tick and what cause them to fail and I do not make dealing with foreign people from an ethnocentric point of view. ...... It is the same way with all our dealings with foreign nation. Every time we do not take into account different cultural ways and we end up making more mad or even worse cause more harm than good by trying to force our world view on another people. We need a politician in office who will not approach dealing with foriegn nations like they were freedom and liberty loving Americans. Believe it or not we are the only people on the Earth who live the way we do.
Wow John....sorry to say, I couldn't vote for you for POTUS.
Nadine N said:
Our government faces the enemy but does not see it, watking blindly into the fire of the great holy war rising up in flames; creating hell upon earth. Those in power in our government are dangerously opening not our doors of where fate awaits but they sign Israel's death warrant. Without Israel, Christainity shall also fall. Where is the passion for life, do we accept our fate or is the free will of all men alive ready to fight this holy war at all costs, the alternative being our death by an Islamic sword. I would rather die for freedom with my sword in hand and God at my side, then to die without trying.
OK, this is not the first reply talking about the apocalyse scenario....and I'm not disregarding it offhand, although I firmly believe the only being in the know of what will come is God himself.
What I want to know is what those that believe current events in Egypt portends Israel's demise want us to do exactly at this point..and I'm being serious.
Linda Conn said:
It is slowly turning to blaming the U.S. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/29/AR2011012904417.html?hpid=topnews
While I hate the Washington Compost, they do not seem to be 'blaming Americans'...rather they say we are enabling the Egyptian government by selling them the tools of repression.
if any of the quotes are indeed true...the one's that have citizens insisting on electing their own democratic government, I am encouraged. They want the right of self-determination, just as we have...who are we to deny it? It might not turn out to be a government we like, but assisting with snuffing out the revolt ain't gonna gain many friends either.
John Dummett said:
Don't be sorry about not voting for me. Cast your vote for whom you think is best. Mark my words though, Mubarak will be deposed and the Muslim brotherhood will have another Arab nation to where they will be able to do something like shutting down the Suez Canal and Barrack Obama will not do anything about it. There is only one course of action to take and we will not do it because we approach the problem like Americans and not Arabs.
OK, I want to know...what is that course of action?
Mr Schmidt, Fox news reported this in a live interview via phone with an American that is attending University there as well as other news outlets. The consensus was that the tide was turning to the protesters blaming the U.S., at least in part, for their problems. So far no American flags have been burned but they are still protesting. The protests are turning more violent, burning more buildings, looting, breaking in to the museum in an attempt to destroy artifacts. I am surprised it took this long to incorporate the U.S. in to the issues.
I feel the MB will be a major players in the new regime and it will not bode well for the U.S. or Israel.
Huckabee will be in Israel next week, will be interested to see how they feel about the happenings next door.
Linda Conn said:
Mr Schmidt, Fox news reported this in a live interview via phone with an American that is attending University there as well as other news outlets. The consensus was that the tide was turning to the protesters blaming the U.S., at least in part, for their problems. So far no American flags have been burned but they are still protesting. The protests are turning more violent, burning more buildings, looting, breaking in to the museum in an attempt to destroy artifacts. I am surprised it took this long to incorporate the U.S. in to the issues.
I feel the MB will be a major players in the new regime and it will not bode well for the U.S. or Israel.
Huckabee will be in Israel next week, will be interested to see how they feel about the happenings next door.
The MB involvement might well be true...really, we don't know.
And I know how Israel feels, since they recalled all of their embassy diplomat's families earlier this evening. They are worried.
I'll say it again...to all that are worried about the MB involvement...WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO? Honestly, I just want to look at alternatives here.
Ray Schmidt said:
Nadine N said:
Our government faces the enemy but does not see it, watking blindly into the fire of the great holy war rising up in flames; creating hell upon earth. Those in power in our government are dangerously opening not our doors of where fate awaits but they sign Israel's death warrant. Without Israel, Christainity shall also fall. Where is the passion for life, do we accept our fate or is the free will of all men alive ready to fight this holy war at all costs, the alternative being our death by an Islamic sword. I would rather die for freedom with my sword in hand and God at my side, then to die without trying.
OK, this is not the first reply talking about the apocalyse scenario....and I'm not disregarding it offhand, although I firmly believe the only being in the know of what will come is God himself.
What I want to know is what those that believe current events in Egypt portends Israel's demise want us to do exactly at this point..and I'm being serious.
My dearest patriot Ray, please understand I do not predict the apocalyse, our creator gives us no timeline but gives us free will and the right take action as we see fit for our survival and happiness upon this good earth. It is my intention, given the opportunity for a citizens audience, warn such citizens the signs of a world engulfed in hate exploding into a world world. The reference to a holy war is of simple understanding, our enemy is not oppression by conttol and world domination as Hitler so envisioned but our enemy is one of transforming this world into a world of one belief, the Muslim belief, by complete destruction of all who do not believe in Allah. Dare I say, no other description can be made other than a holy war?
How does one believe such events in Egypt protends the demise of Israel; dear sir, need anyone not recoginize the strategic placement of Egypt whereby such an Islamic force as the Brotherhood, not beholding to anyone but their God Allah; would do as they claim Allah to tells them; destroy the Jews. Also know this land is sacred to them and will not wipe out Israel by anything but brute force, leaving no people, only land, The birth land of Christianity sits in the soil of Israel, within every Jew there is the seed of Christianity; Isreal is our ancestrial tree of hope, a reminder of our roots. Tear down our tree and burn its roots; Christianity loses the ancient tie and hope for a future. The Brotherhood will gain strength, such a victory shall bring on more warriors and blood shall begin spilling across all borders into the sea.
Nadine N said:
Ray Schmidt said:
Nadine N said:
Our government faces the enemy but does not see it, watking blindly into the fire of the great holy war rising up in flames; creating hell upon earth. Those in power in our government are dangerously opening not our doors of where fate awaits but they sign Israel's death warrant. Without Israel, Christainity shall also fall. Where is the passion for life, do we accept our fate or is the free will of all men alive ready to fight this holy war at all costs, the alternative being our death by an Islamic sword. I would rather die for freedom with my sword in hand and God at my side, then to die without trying.
OK, this is not the first reply talking about the apocalyse scenario....and I'm not disregarding it offhand, although I firmly believe the only being in the know of what will come is God himself.
What I want to know is what those that believe current events in Egypt portends Israel's demise want us to do exactly at this point..and I'm being serious.
My dearest patriot Ray, please understand I do not predict the apocalyse, our creator gives us no timeline but gives us free will and the right take action as we see fit for our survival and happiness upon this good earth. It is my intention, given the opportunity for a citizens audience, warn such citizens the signs of a world engulfed in hate exploding into a world world. The reference to a holy war is of simple understanding, our enemy is not oppression by conttol and world domination as Hitler so envisioned but our enemy is one of transforming this world into a world of one belief, the Muslim belief, by complete destruction of all who do not believe in Allah. Dare I say, no other description can be made other than a holy war?
How does one believe such events in Egypt protends the demise of Israel; dear sir, need anyone not recoginize the strategic placement of Egypt whereby such an Islamic force as the Brotherhood, not beholding to anyone but their God Allah; would do as they claim Allah to tells them; destroy the Jews. Also know this land is sacred to them and will not wipe out Israel by anything but brute force, leaving no people, only land, The birth land of Christianity sits in the soil of Israel, within every Jew there is the seed of Christianity; Isreal is our ancestrial tree of hope, a reminder of our roots. Tear down our tree and burn its roots; Christianity loses the ancient tie and hope for a future. The Brotherhood will gain strength, such a victory shall bring on more warriors and blood shall begin spilling across all borders into the sea.
Nadine, I understand all that...honestly, I do. I'm an educated man. What may follow may be real, real bad for the US and Israel.
What I am asking at this point is WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO...which you didn't answer.
I didn't mean that YOU in particular were descrbing the apocalyse scenario (though the demise of christianity and one world islam rule? Close.) Just that people are saying this is bad, we need to do something and no one is saying what that is. I understand why, because there is no winning move here...and the economic consequences to the US (in the least) because we have not insisted on becoming energy independant and to Israel (in the worst) are understood...because I do believe that we would honor our alliance with Israel in the end.
But simply bemoaning our present situation, and saying our government is looking at the enemy and refusing to recognize it (paraphrase) doesn't provide a solution...I am looking at ascertaining what others woulc consider as an appropriate course of action.
Ray,
I would say that we advise that they get one of the high rankings of thier Military that would step up.They seem to trust them.
Then, maybe they could get the caos to calm down, and restore some order, and to Hear the people's voice to see what they are looking for.
We know they want what we all want, FREEDOM.At what extent that it can be given under thier order, that would have to be up to the order the Military Comanders sets by compromise with the people.
Understand me when I say that the military in charge,I'm saying a temporary deal, till order is restored,And let them choose thier Leader.
That way they pick thier own poison so to speak.
The Coptic Christians in Egypt need prayers if Mubarak does not get control, which it does not look like he will. There have been reports, even from the liberal lame stream media, that Hamas is working with or consulting with the MB. The Mullahs have called the MB to protest via the Mosques. Tensions are rising, the military equipment they are using is largely U.S.A equipment which will be a tool for the MB to use in their quest for power.
There are no easy answers but in all of this the MB is the ONLY power that is organized. To my knowledge there is no one waiting in the wings to step in and take over except the MB. So say tomorrow Mubarak steps down, who is going to take over? Egypt is after all what 80% Moslem, how can they not want to take over when that is the basis of their ideology, to rule the world. This would just be another conquest, Israel will be next and then...........U.S.A. Just my humble opinion.
Ray Schmidt said:
The MB involvement might well be true...really, we don't know.....I'll say it again...to all that are worried about the MB involvement...WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO? Honestly, I just want to look at alternatives here.
My head bows down in disappointment, citizens do not see the pending doom, taking up conversations in talking points. There is no speculation of the Brotherhood, it is healthy and growing in Egypt, bring down the current dictator puts them in charge, no form of real government shall exist, only control of the people and all events thereafter in the name of Allah. Take up no more time in speculation, see the truth as it stands, believe otherwise and you are living with eyes half open.
What dare I say to do? Knowing well the lesser of the evils shall be in removing the current dictator for another, giving the people of Egypt full control of who they choose, with no influence by the Brotherhood. Can it be done? There is hope the people want 21st centruy living, rather than 15th century rule; allow freedom to flow in, more in a rallying spirit of what can be with freedom rather than pouring money into it, time now to extend the younger Egyptian generation a desire for a future not a time for suicide for Allah.
Tracy Chaffin said:
Ray,
I would say that we advise that they get one of the high rankings of thier Military that would step up.They seem to trust them.
Then, maybe they could get the caos to calm down, and restore some order, and to Hear the people's voice to see what they are looking for.
We know they want what we all want, FREEDOM.At what extent that it can be given under thier order, that would have to be up to the order the Military Comanders sets by compromise with the people.
Understand me when I say that the military in charge,I'm saying a temporary deal, till order is restored,And let them choose thier Leader.
That way they pick thier own poison so to speak.
See....that's what I'm looking for...a solution. Might work, might not, but it's better than throwing stones or endless wailing.
Me? Actually, Obama hasn't played this one so bad...yet (notwithstanding any involvement with the MB, and I ain't convinced of that yet)...stop all foreign aid to Egypt (and I'd use this time to cut all foreign aid by LOTS)...and insist on a peaceful resolution. Offer to send Hillary in (gag) to broker an agreement (we're already in, knee deep).
Then the next day, I would take all remaining stimulus money that everyone's clamoring over and pour it into IMMEDIATE ENERGY DEVELOPMENT (not green jobs...LOL) here in the US...it would be drill here, drill now...develop the coal shale oil resevoir too. Because a large part of our predicament is having our economy held hostage by the oil implications of the situation.
And, I'd be calling Benji N on the back phone to reinforce that we have his back if needed.
