From: http://conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=1877
Internet radio host Alex Jones, who believes that 9/11 was a U.S. government plot and “inside job” conspiracy, is featured in Chris Matthews’ recent documentary on MSNBC as a leader of the “New Right” and the Tea Party movement. But Jones has absolutely nothing to do with the conservative or Tea Party movements.
In the advance promotional advertisements for the program, Jones is shown saying that the U.S. has entered the phase of “deep tyranny.” The promos make Jones appear to be the undisputed leader of the “New Right” and the Tea Party movement.
But in fact, a video shows Jones disrupting a Tea Party rally in Texas by shouting at organizers and speakers with a bullhorn. This performance woke up many Tea Party members to the real Jones agenda and he has been anathema to them ever since.
BUT JONES IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A CONSERVATIVE. JONES HAS MUCH MORE IN COMMON WITH THE LEFT THAN THE RIGHT. HE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, A MEMBER OF THE 9/11 "TRUTH" MOVEMENT, AS WAS VAN JONES, AND MANY OTHERS IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND ON THE LEFT. The 9/11 "Truth" Movement was started by MUSLIMS WHO WANTED TO SHIFT BLAME FROM THE MUSLIM WORLD AND PUT IT ON AMERICA AND ISRAEL.
Leftists joined the movement and used it to undermine the Bush Administration drive for a military response to Islamic terrorism and its base of operations in the Middle East. THIS IS ALEX JONES... THE ONE SO MANY CONSERVATIVES ARE BEING MISLED BY.
But for Alex Jones, the attention serves his purposes. Having cooperated with Matthews, a former Democratic Party operative, and his producers, Jones’ associates are now claiming that the script is biased to make the Tea Party movement look bad. This was the obvious intention all along, of course, and Alex Jones played his part.
Matthews and his “sources” in the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Media Matters group should understand that, rather than being any kind of right-wing political figure, Jones works openly and closely with such “progressive” figures as Webster Tarpley, a former high-level associate of political opportunist and extremist Lyndon LaRouche, one of the first fringe political figures to question whether Muslims were behind the 9/11 attacks. Tarpley wrote 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA, blaming the U.S. for the attacks.
LaRouche, who has been on the fringes of the political scene for decades, began his career as a Marxist and his National Caucus of Labor Committees was a faction of the left-wing Students for a Democratic Society at Columbia University. During the late 1970s and 1980s, LaRouche and his operatives suddenly adopted a “conservative” posture. After that, however, LaRouche ran for president as a Franklin Roosevelt Democrat. He served prison time on financial fraud charges before re-emerging and running a movement that today is attempting to co-opt the Tea Party message.
Tarpley, who, like Jones, is a prominent figure in the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement, is a regular guest on the Jones radio show and appears in Jones documentaries that purport to expose the Obama Administration and the forces behind it. One of Tarpley’s books on Obama, published by Progressive Press, whitewashes Obama’s Marxist connections. He advertises himself as “one of the most incisive critics of Anglo-American hegemony,” demonstrating how he views the world.
One of the common themes of both Jones and Tarpley is that Muslims are being unfairly blamed for terrorist attacks such as 9/11 and that the U.S. and/or Israel are really behind them.
The problem of LaRouche operatives in the Tea Party movement is a real one and has been recognized as such. Members of the LaRouche movement have been waving the signs that are sometimes seen at Tea Party gatherings that depict President Obama as Hitler. The words “LaRouche PAC,” referring to the cult leader’s political action committee, are actually visible on some of the signs and banners.
The Matthews documentary mentions the Nazi charge against Obama, in order to discredit the Tea Party movement, without noting its LaRouche origins. It is another example of the program’s basic dishonest approach.
Conservative activist Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Center, who began his conservative career in Young Americans for Freedom decades ago, has written that, “Forces led by Lyndon LaRouche and, in my opinion, Alex Jones, are working deep inside our movement to see it implode into fights, caused by distrust and hatred. I believe they are manipulating the media to show the freedom movement as simply a band of nuts not to be taken seriously.”
It’s hard to tell who is manipulating whom. In any case, the Matthews agenda is clear: to use Jones in an unfair effort to smear the ordinary Americans and conservatives associated with the Tea Party movement as kooks following dangerous and unstable personalities. By extension, this reasoning goes, any candidate receiving their support is questionable.
All of this is supposed to benefit Democrats such as Harry Reid running against Tea Party-backed candidates like Sharron Angle in Nevada.
Another theme of the Matthews program, which we have seen before, is that the Tea Party movement includes racists. Matthews is a member of an all-white line-up of hosted shows on MSNBC-TV that has been determined to ignore black speakers and black leaders of the Tea Party movement.
If Matthews had wanted to present the facts, rather than his own conspiracy theories, he could have mentioned that Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul, a leader of the Tea Party movement, has appeared several times on the Alex Jones radio show and that Jones has even raised money for him. These are facts that any objective journalist on the right or left would agree that Paul has to account for.
Incredibly, Rand Paul recently bypassed NBC’s “Meet the Press,” in order to avoid being questioned about his libertarian views, and instead went on the Russia Today propaganda channel, where he talked about immigration and other matters. For someone who wants to be elected to a national office with influence over national security affairs, it is shocking that Paul would go on a channel financed by the Kremlin that not only promotes Russian foreign policy but also the 9/11 “inside job” conspiracy theory.
In one segment that seems largely untainted by the political motives or conspiracies advanced by Matthews and his producers, the MSNBC program features a legitimate Tea Party member by the name of Ana Puig, a stay-at-home mother of four who got involved in the “Kitchen table patriots” because of the Marxist threat she saw developing from the Obama Administration. “I like to call it 21st Century Marxism, a camouflage statement for Communism since we are not fighting a bloody battle,” she has written. “Instead, we are fighting an ideological one.”
This is the real voice of the Tea Party movement. And this is why liberals like Matthews are so scared of it. The Tea Party movement has emerged because of recognition of what Obama and his backers truly represent.
One motive for the weak and slanted Matthews documentary is clearly disgust over the fact that Fox News, which is killing MSNBC in the ratings, has been a platform for Ana Puig and others like her. The role of Fox News in promoting the movement is mentioned several times.
By attacking the Tea Party movement, Matthews is really attacking his nemesis Fox News.
But if the transcript that is being made available by Jones is the final one, Matthews will have demonstrated that, in addition to being a hatchet man for the Democratic Party, he is also a bad journalist. He could have mentioned a real issue—how Andrew Napolitano of FBN has praised Alex Jones and has appeared repeatedly on his radio show.
The “Rise of the New Right” will be quickly forgotten because of its serious inattention to the facts. But you can bet that Jones will use it to make himself into a media martyr.
L. Charles Burch Have you seen the NIST videos just released, Mary? Have you noticed how hard they tried to keep them secret and once released had noticeable edits. Tell me that you went over every single word on the Architects And Engineers For 9-11 Truth website. http://www.ae911truth.org/
You and Jonathan have still never answered my question, "WHERE DID THE TOWEL HEADS IN A CAVE GET THEIR HANDS ON NANOTHERMITE TECH? Instead you patronized me and Jonathan was silent. Hmmmmm.
I have also tried to point out that the Hegelian Dialectic is being used by the globalists against the left/right paradigm and against Islam and Christianity. Again, silence on the issue but active in practice. And, if you have really gone over everything that you have said, then you should have no problem refuting my links.
I personally think the problem most people have is more likened to Neo taking the red pill and finding the truth to be mind blowing. Some would be like Cypher and want for the bliss of ignorance. Does that sum it up for you?
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Charles--It's color coded for you!
The towel heads get their technology from RUSSIA! They are proxies and useful idiots for Russian aggression. No, I haven't watched the video you referenced. I'll get to it after the Christmas and New Year's holidays are over. Yes, I've read the entire website, along with many others, and along with watching several YouTube videos. I'm not an architect. Have you read the antithesis to your website? http://ae911truth.info/.
What the heck is all this gibberish you spout? I had to go to the dictionary for:
Hegelian dialectic
I was too dumb to understand what it was. Philosophy is not something that I wasted much time on in college.
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Charles, even after going to the dictionary, I'm still hardpressed to understand your point. Naturally, this makes me so dumb as not to be trusted, right? :D
No, the truth is not mind blowing. Your version of truth takes more faith to believe than the theory of evolution. You certainly have every right to your opinions, sir, as do I. Does that sum it up for you?
Mary,
I see that you are relatively new here. I would like to welcome you. I have been here since the beginning of FT and have posted many articles and videos most of which are considered controversial. I have had many people come along and take cheap shots but none of them have been able to refute any of what I have posted. Most just end up disappearing never presenting any support for their views.
You seem like an intelligent individual Mary so I would like to challenge you to take an honest look at the information that is widely available and judge it on it's own merit rather than doing like most others who resort to ad hominem attacks on the individuals presenting it.
It has taken me 15 years to understand what is really going on in this country and it has been very disappointing since most of it exposes the lies I was taught growing up in public school and fed to me by the state controlled media. It has been very disheartening at times and I have seen many good people destroyed for daring to expose those lies. I still have faith that given the truth the People of this nation will do what is right but I have absolutely no faith in our government system. Inspite of it's imperfections the Constitution is without question the greatest civil document ever devised by man and I do not wish to see it destroyed which is exactly what is happening.
Most of the people that are being ridiculed for their views have spent many, many hours researching and studying the evidence so it can be trying at times to hear people who have devoted very little time studying anything more than the superficial information presented to them by their favorite media figure.
I have presented the information that was asked for concerning the weakening of the steel in the WTC in the original blog on this topic. I anxiously await an intelligent response to the information given but have little expectation that will occur.
What does all of this have to do with Alex Jones? Well, inspite of what you might believe there are many people who feel in their gut that something isn't right in this country and are to afraid to research it and speak out against it. Alex Jones is one of the few who is bold enough because he has given due diligence to dig and find out what is going on.
Do I agree with all of his views? Of coure not. But I put more credibility in him than I do ANY of the media puppets on ANY network. He has his flaws. He has his idiosyncrocies but don't we all. He is passionate because he has put in the time to find the truth and wants to wake up the sleeping giant here in America before it is too late.
Alex Jones and those of us who have been diligent want nothing more than the truth to be given to us by those who we employ to serve us. Nothing less. So why must people who are not diligent constantly judge us? Because the truth is rarely accepted in the beginning but ridiculed. That is just human nature. Time always bears out the truth. I just hope that we have enough time left.
Great vid Bret! No doubt it will only garner more name calling by our well studied friends who refuse to believe that their corrupt government could possibly murder 3000 of it's citizens in plain sight right here on home turf instead of doing their own research.
How many times throughout history has this occured? Governments are famous for these kinds of atrocioties. I suspect that it is fear that keeps most people from moving out of their comfort zones and it is that sort of behavior that led the Jews to their demise in the death chambers in Germany and MANY other people of varying nationalites throughout history.
"They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it!!"- George Carlin
Dale said: "You seem like an intelligent individual Mary so I would like to challenge you to take an honest look at the information that is widely available and judge it on it's own merit rather than doing like most others who resort to ad hominem attacks on the individuals presenting it."
Dale, I am growing tired of the constant pleas for me to take "an honest look" at the information available on this issue. How many times will you (plural) ignore me when I say that I HAVE looked at the information and find it wanting. I don't agree with you. I'm not an architect, as I said earlier, so I must depend upon others whom I trust to help me understand. Unfortunately, everything you (plural) have provided thus far as evidence have eminated from Alex Jones and his minions. The whole issue has been tainted beyond repair because of people like Alex Jones. Assuming, arguendo, that what you say is true, I wouldn't be able to overcome the bad taste that Alex Jones leaves in my mouth. The same is true, for me, regarding Jesse Ventura. Gov. Ventura campaigned as a conservative and turned out to be a liberal in conservative's clothing. Certainly he proved he cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
Bret, WTC 7 was indeed hit by one of the approaching planes--and left its landing gear behind. The structure was shaken to the core and became unstable, unable to withstand the force and stress of the WTC towers' collapse. I have seen still photographs of the remains after WTC 7 fell; they were taken by a NYC policeman. The photographs of the remains do not support the implosion theory that you propose.
Dale, I have not resorted to demeaning others thoughts, analysis and behavior (as you just did)--yet. I am close, though. If I do, I will not entertain any objections from you (or others) regarding my mode of attack. I have no trouble taking the heat of the kitchen, or running with the big dogs.
~Mary Ann Hartzler
Bret, having now watched the video link you provided, I remain unconvinced as to its veracity. The commentator makes sweeping statements without giving any basis for those claims. It is obvious that the purpose of this video was to debunk information published by NIST. Again, no indication as to whom is speaking, or what their qualifications are to make the sweeping statements. It isn't that I cannot believe that a corrupt government would murder 3,000 of its own people. I do not believe that OUR corrupt government murdered 3,000 of our own people.
Mary,
I had truly hoped to develope more of a civil dialogue here with you but once again, as with others who disagree with my views, that doesnt seem likely. I am not interested in trading insulting remarks so I will simply say that we should just drop the subject. You have your opinion and your point of view and that is fine with me. I will not waste any more of my time trying to convince you.
I have no doubt that you can run with the big dogs. I am not interested in dog fights and hot kitchens so I will just sit up here on the porch and sip my glass of ice tea. When the big dogs are through tearing each other up I just hope there are enough of us still around to clean up the mess.
We do not have to agree. I am glad that you are so passionate about your views. My grandmother used to tell me that "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." She was one of the kindest people I have known and I have tried to adhere to her philosophy.
Good luck and God Bless you in all of your endeavors.
"Great vid Bret! No doubt it will only garner more name calling by our well studied friends who refuse to believe that their corrupt government could possibly murder 3000 of it's citizens in plain sight right here on home turf instead of doing their own research....
"I suspect that it is fear that keeps most people from moving out of their comfort zones and it is that sort of behavior that led the Jews to their demise in the death chambers in Germany and MANY other people of varying nationalites throughout history."
Dale, do you really expect me to believe that you attempt to follow your Grandmother's example by making inflammatory statements like those quoted above? I hardly think so, although I approve of such an endeavor for you.
Thanks for allowing me the FREEDOM to disagree with your assessments and opinions.
Mary Ann Hartzler
You know Jon, after some of the private conversations that you and I have had and the sharing of our faiths I am hurt (but not surprised) by your behavior here. I am now convinced that YOU are probably a leftist plant trying to sidetrack the real conservative movement.
I remember how condecending you were of the tea party in the beginning. You have always referred to any of the TRUE constituionalists as wackos and nuts. You are now trying to convince people that just because they might be convinced or at least considering that our government IS capable of committing such atrocities either with GW's approval or by coercion that we are LEFT WING "USEFUL IDIOTS" ????
You will remember your words one day Jon. I hope that you have the integrity to admit that you were wrong when the time comes.
I think you know about some of the personal issues I am dealling with right now and for you to make such remarks to me just goes to show how insensitive and immature you are which explains why you are so brainwashed and gullible. (Yea, now I am name calling. When in Rome...???)
It is my suspicion that you are simply trying to distract and derail conservatives and enlarge your purse while you are at it.
You are very two faced and I hope that others here will take this into consideration. Be careful folks. I have been here from the beginning and have seen Jon act in some very peculiar ways for someone who calls himself a conservative. Oh, wait...classical liberal!!???
It won't surprise me if you boot me off the site or delete this comment Jon. I don't really care if you do except that there may be a lot of people influenced by your charade. If what I am saying is correct you will be found out soon enough. I hope you don't discourage thousands of true conservatives when you are exposed.
You have a lot of new members now but I would like to point out to them just how many of the 10,000 members are actually active here now. Most of them have figured you out and left long ago. BE ALERT FOLKS!! BE ALERT!!
This is your site Jon and you have "THE POWER AND AUTHORITY" to allow or disallow whoever you want on a whim. Let's see what you do with this.
Mary said:
"WTC 7 was indeed hit by one of the approaching planes--and left its landing gear behind. The structure was shaken to the core and became unstable, unable to withstand the force and stress of the WTC towers' collapse".
ROTFLMAO!!! This 40 + story building was brought down by a 10 FT. POLE AND TWO RUBBER TIRES???!!! And you call ME gullible!!!! LMAO!
Jonathan Cousar said:
Dale, WOW! Calling me a leftist plant! Unbelievable! Of all the things I've ever been called in my life - that's never been one of them!!!!!! And of all the things I've been called - this is by far THE MOST INSULTING OF ALL.
Dale:
Struck a nerve eh?!
My accusations of you being a leftist plant are no more "Unbelievable" and "INSULTING" than you calling me a "Useful Idiot". You wanna call names then I can throw out some ridiculous names too. From the beginning of FT, and before, you can hardly ever have a disagreement with someone who is sincere in their views without insulting and calling them names. THAT my friend is childish!!
Now, if you want to have an intellectually honest discussion about something then it would be more becoming of an intelligent person like yourself to STOP USING THE CHILDISH NAME CALLING!!! You debase yourself when you do this! Can't you see that??? All that is ever accomplished by this is valuble time and energy are wasted and resistance to your views become stronger! YOU NEVER WIN PEOPLE OVER to your point of view by insulting them! Is that so hard to understand?
Jon:
Anyway, my friend - you will have to answer for your slander and lies against me to Someone Else. I made a FACTUAL statement about you and you answered it - not by addressing the statement, but my lying about me.
Dale:
By "FACTUAL" I am assuming that you mean your accusations that I must hate my country be cause I happen to agree with some of the views of people that really do hate this country and everything that it stands for and the allegation that I am a "Useful Idiot".
Just because I DO believe that the corrupt government that has usurped control of our nation has committed these atrocites does not mean that I align myself with them. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS COMMITTED THESE TYPES OF FALSE FLAG ATTACKS IN THE PAST AND THAT IS A FACT!! THEY HAVE ADMITTED TO IT!! So why do you call me a hater when I am simply stating the facts and opinions of experts???
Again, you believe the sun rises in the east just like they do so are you aligning with them too??
As concerns my answering of your question, don't even try that angle on me because you don't answer every question that is posed to you either. And when you ask someone to support their view with proof (such as you did concerning the strength of steel at 1000 degrees) and then ignore the response then why should anyone waste their time responding?
Jon:
Oh and I LOVE that you think making money is somehow proof that I don't really believe what I say. (as if the something in the neighborhood of $23 a month I make in revenue from the site would really convince me to say anything I don't believe)! If earning money is proof that the views of the individual earning the money are insincere, then WHY DON'T YOU APPLY THIS SAME STANDARD TO ALEX JONES - WHO IS EARNING A HELLUVA A LOT MORE THAN I AM - OR PROBALBY EVER WILL! If my views are insincere by my earning $23 a month... then how much more insincere would Jones' views have to be!?
Dale:
Wow! That's some logic there!
Jon:
And by the way Dale... this site has not "added to my purse" - it has in fact nearly bankrupted me. I have done this completely out of conviction. The things I've done for this site from a financial standpoint have been reckless and stupid. By which I mean, I've spent far more of my own money on it than was financially prudent. No business person in his right mind would have done what I've done here... nearly bankrupting myself (and I mean that quite literally), to start something that has little to no chance of going anywhere. But I didn't do it because I was looking for some jackpot at the end of the rainbow. I did it because it is the living out of my convictions that we have to turn America around by reaching as many people as we can. And it was my personal effort to reach a few more people than I ever had in the past. So I'm thankful for the 23 bucks a month! It helps pay for a small portion of the actual monthly expense of running this site. But it does absolutley nothing to make up for all the money I've put into it. So please... spare us the "he's insincere because he's getting rich" slander. You see... you're just not being consistent. You accuse me of having insincere views because I've nearly gone bankrupt running this site. Yet you don't accuse Jones of the same thing although he's getting darn near rich peddling the lies he's peddling! Oh and by the way... why would I delete you? Up until NOW I never minded that you and I didn't agree on EVERYTHING! But when I come into these forums and comment along with the rest of you - I don't do so as "owner of the site" - I do so as a member just like everybody else. In other words, my views and opinions don't carry any more weight here than anyone else's. So of course I wouldn't delete you for insulting (lying about) me. Can other members delete people who insult and lie about them? No! So I can't do it either.
Dale:
I think it would not be jumping to conclusions that the folks that run FB PROBABLY make a great deal of money. It is also no huge leap that you are after a big slice of their pie! I'm sure they made sacrifices in the beginning also. That is the price you pay for success. Not that I think there is anything wrong with that. More power to you. I just wonder if that may be more of a driving motivation for you than really educating people with the TRUTH of what their government is up to and what they can do about it. I sincerely hope not but as I said before, time will tell.
Jon:
Anyway, I will repeat my statement above and see if perhaps you can answer IT - without changing the subject and without resorting to slander. (You guys ever notice how conspiracy theorists ALWAYS change the subject - just when you're about to nail them down)! Watch, I have a feeling it's going to happen again right now!
Dale:
Only "CONSIRACY THEORIST" do this?? I do not accept your premise.
Jon:
So please try to answer this Dale: You are siding with all those who hate America and hate Christianity and hate Israel.
Dale:
No I am not! I have already addressed this. I believe the earth is round. SO DO THEY!! BIG DEAL!!!
Jon:
And you're buying their lie which was designed to promote the belief that Christians are not only every bit as bad as anybody else, but in fact they're far worse. And here's proof. A Christian president (your opinion) was willing to murder (or may have been coerced to) up to 3,000 of his own citizens in furtherance of some personal agenda. So not only is the Christian George Bush (the one with his middle finger in the air? You've seen the videos and pics) worse than non-Christians, America itself is every bit as bad as any other country (Now you are putting words in my mouth and twisting what I said. I did not say AMERICA is bad, I am AMERICA! YOU ARE AMERICA!! WE ARE AMERICA!!! I said OUR GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND EVIL!). Does it bother you at all Dale, that you are now perfectly (perfectly?? THERE is a GROSS exageration!) aligned, with those people? Those who hate America, who hate Christianity and who hate Israel? (Now you think I hate America, Christianity, and Israel?? I deny your implication.) Does it bother you that by promoting this "truther" lie (how ironically named "truther"!), that you are furthering the agenda of the Islamic radicals who want to kill us. (or do you not believe that either)?
Dale:
No It does not bother me becasue it is not true. What I am standing for is THE TRUTH!! I am promoting it to see America take back it's freedom and restore honor to our name. Even though the Islamist radicals and others may be saying the same things they are manipulating the truth to try to weaken and destroy our country. They are exploiting the very corruption that we need to purge in hopes that it will weaken us. I say, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free". Our government is destroying our nation!! THE ENEMY WITHIN!! When our government is righteous and honorable and abiding within the restraints placed upon it by our constitution there is NO enemy without that can destroy us. THEY KNOW THIS AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO EXPLOIT OUR WEAKNESS!!
Now, if we can get past the childish name calling and personal insults I would like you to reconsider some of the remarks you have made to and about me and ask youself if they were honestly how you see me. I don't think that you really believe that. If you do then so be it but don't expect me to allow you to shoot at me without getting a few shots back at you.
I hate that we are doing this especially during this time when we should be drawing closer together. Call me what you want Jon but I will not have you calling my faith or my love for my country into question. You know me better than that! I am through with this conversation. I have no more energy to waste on it.
All this put aside I want to wish you and your family a Merry and Blessed Christmas.
Dale "Sui Juris" Morgan said:
Mary said:
"WTC 7 was indeed hit by one of the approaching planes--and left its landing gear behind. The structure was shaken to the core and became unstable, unable to withstand the force and stress of the WTC towers' collapse".
ROTFLMAO!!! This 40 + story building was brought down by a 10 FT. POLE AND TWO RUBBER TIRES???!!! And you call ME gullible!!!! LMAO!
Goodness, Dale. I did not say you were gullible, just deceived. There IS a difference. Have you ever done accident reconstruction? It is a very scientific field of study. You should try it sometime. You might realize, then, that striking a building with a 10-foot pole and 2 rubber tires at the speed and trajectory of the approaching plane could, and would, make a 40 story building unstable.
Your ad hominem attacks on Jonathan Cousar make you look very small. All of this because you cannot let go of the fact that we disagree. You have transformed what could have been a lively debate into a pissing match. Congratulations, you won.
Bret Major said:
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2] What a sad degeneration we have here. No surprise, it started out that way. You guys have fun....
Bret, it seems to me that BOTH sides of this pissing contest have been using straw man arguments. My side of the argument believes truthers are being deliberately deceived. Truthers believe we are burying our head in the sand. I have said more than once in this thread that an impasse has been reached, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Truthers, more than any other group, cannot "let go" when they fail to convince someone that 9/11 was an inside job. In every debate I've ever had with truthers, it always gets personal with innuendo that the "unbelievers" are too dumb to understand, too liberal, too trusting, unwilling to confront an evil government, etc. Truthers never believe that I have watched all the videos, read the articles and websites--I just couldn't have done that and not believe.
Having looked at the evidence, we do not agree on its interpretation. Why isn't that good enough? Why continue to take stabs at impugning our intelligence or methods of argument--as if you and Dale have been most pure of heart? It is time to admit that good folks can look at the same thing and come to a different conclusion.
