For anyone who is interested in finding out why there are serious questions about the official reasons that the World Trade Center buildings collapsed I have posted a series of videos that are excerpts from an upcoming documentary put together by scientists and engineers who have found physical evidence of high tech explosives in the dust from the collapsed buildings.
I do not intend to debate anyone on the merits of the information because I am not an expert. I am just an average American with questions and want to know the truth. I do not feel that it is too much to ask from our government. Until a legitimate and thorough investigation is conducted and the questions answered that the experts have I can only assume that the government is hiding something. I want to know what that something is.
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Dale, you say you're standing for the TRUTH, but when I or anyone else has pointed out some truth here that didn't agree with what you've been led to believe you rejected it out of hand and instead of using demonstrably true evidence to refute it - you just called it names. (You said Popular Mechanics is funded by the Left or something like that - but you basically slimed their reputation - which didn't prove what they said was wrong).
Anyway, I ran across something this morning I thought I'd share with you. Maybe this will at least help you see why I'm not buying these 9/ll Lies.
One thing I know that you and I most definitely agree on is that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he lived a sinless human life - and was fully man and fully God. Right? We also believe that he lived a life of sacrifice for others.
But what would you do if someone came along and presented a really reasonable and persuasive argument that Jesus was none of the things you believe he is. In fact, arguments that PROVE he was exactly the opposite!? And they prove it by using the Bible's own words!
Would that make you change your mind about Christ?
My point is that we have to learn to discern what's true and right based on the evidence and we have to be able to reject even good & persuasive arguments to the contrary. If we can't do that then we're always open to being co-opted by the other side.
Read the following and I trust (and hope) that you're mind won't be changed about Jesus. But if it's not - can you at least admit these are pretty darn good arguments? And if so, then why don't you change your mind? You don't change your mind because you can see the writer doesn't have a full understand of what the Bible teaches about Jesus and based on his lack of expertise on the subject, he's come to some rather twisted and unfounded conclusions. But - on the surface, he makes some pretty good arguments!
I believe that's what has happened with 9/11. Your side has made some good and persuasive arguments based on a less than full understanding and expertise in the subject matter and has therefore come to some rather twisted and unfounded conclusions. However, since YOU are not an expert in these subjects (as you are on the Bible) you've actually fallen for them.
And as you'll see from the passage below - many people who aren't as knowledgeable as you or I on the Bible or about Jesus - you can see how they could easily be taken in by these arguments.
Extracts from “The Fountain of Christianity, By Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Founder of Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam
Jesus as a Moral Teacher…
“Strangely enough, Jesus did not act upon his own moral teachings. He cursed the fig tree when he found it to be barren, while he exhorted others to pray. And while he taught others not to call anyone a fool, he himself went to the extent of calling the Jewish elders misbegotten, hurling abuses at them in every sermon and calling them foul names. A teacher of morals must first exhibit those morals in himself. Could such a flawed teaching, which Jesus himself did not follow, be from God?”
Is there any law or philosophy …
“Is there any Law or Philosophy which can make us understand how the Messiah’s blood could have cleansed the inner impurities of other people? Our observation is, in fact, opposed to this principle, because, until the time when the Messiah decided to commit suicide, we find an element of righteousness and godliness among the Christians.
After the crucifixion, however, their carnal passions burst forth like a river which breaks its banks and inundates the land. There is no doubt that even if this suicide on the part of the Messiah was deliberate, it was quite needless. If he had, instead, spent his life in preaching and exhortation, he would have done a lot more good for God’s creation. But this act did not serve them in any way. Yes, if the Messiah had indeed come back to life after his suicide, and had ascended to heaven before the very eyes of the Jews, they would surely have believed in him. But, as things stand, the Jews, and all reasonable people, consider the Messiah’s ascension to be no more than a fable.”
The Absurdities in the Gospels…
“It is, in fact, impossible to count the absurdities that are to be found in the Gospels, like the deification of a humble man, proposing the Messiah’s crucifixion as a penalty for sins committed by others, banishing him to hell for three days, and declaring him to be God while attributing weakness and falsehood to him at the same time! There are many passages in the Gospels which prove that the Messiah —God forbid—was guilty of falsehood.
For example, he promised a certain thief that he would breakfast with him in heaven that very day, but, in breach of his promise, he went to hell and stayed there for three days. It is also written in the Gospels that the devil took the Messiah from place to place in order to tempt him. Is it not strange that the Messiah, being 'God', was not immune to satanic temptations, and that the devil had the cheek to tempt Him at all! This is quite a unique philosophy! If the devil had indeed visited the Messiah, it would have provided him an excellent opportunity to show him to the Jews, as they were strongly opposed to his claim of Prophet-hood. The sign of the true Messiah, which had been mentioned in the Book of Malachi, was that the Prophet Elijah would return to the world before his coming, but since Prophet Elijah did not return, the Jews have called Jesus (as) a liar and an impostor to this day. And the Christians are at a loss to counter this argument of the Jews.”
SIGN OF INSANITY
“The Jews also say that the account of the devil calling upon the Messiah is a sign of insanity, and that many insane people experience such hallucinations and nightmares. An English scholar has said that this visitation of the devil means that the Messiah received satanic revelations on three occasions, but remained unmoved by them, and that in one of them he was urged to renounce God and submit himself wholly to Satan. How strange that the devil subdued 'the Son of God' and inclined him towards the world!“
Here's a little analogy for ya'll, there is alot more at stake for those who believe that it was muslim terrorist responsible for 911 than those who think it was an elite group of not just Americans but other globalist. We already live in a empirialist over powered gov. But what if in the last 10 years we handed over freedoms values and liberty for a lie. no wonder there is such a desperate attempt keep it up! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/18/politics/main6409635.shtml
80% of americans don't trust the government, yet on this issue the government got it right hmmm wierd. Proof yeah lets talk about that little issue.
Well, a big part of the "truther" "theory" rests on their contention that steel doesn't melt at the temperature jet fuel burns at. But so far to date - NONE OF YOU has been able to respond to the answer to that claim - that steel doesn't HAVE TO MELT in order to WEAKEN so much that it can't hold the load it was designed to hold. So if someone could answer that - then maybe, just maybe - I'd have a more open ear. But so far, when greeted with that question - you're only response is personal attacks on me and anyone else who gives the same answer.
Youtube it? That's what I was afraid of Scott. Apparently people now think YOUTUBE is a source of authoritative information.
Here's something I youtubed earlier and found out you can live even if you have a hole in your head. I challenge you to prove this wrong.
All your questions about WTC 7 are answered here:
And no hard feelings either Scott!
Scott Hanson, for someone without an engineering or architectural degree you spout a lot of "industry language" that is frankly way over my head. You got all this from YouTube? So, if it appears in video form on YouTube you claim it is the gospel truth? Do YOU trust everything you see on YouTube? This is akin to claiming everything published on the internet is truth. [Al Gore invented the internet, remember?] Much is published on the internet that is NOT truth--you know that. The real problem here is that you have a predisposed mindset to believe conspiracy theories. I am predisposed to believe only that which I can independently verify--and this does not include YouTube, Facebook, MySpace or any other social network. Websites will be trusted only after independent verification of the owner(s). Expert opinion(s) will be accepted only after independent verification of the expert's qualifications to render an opinion on the subject matter at hand. In other words, it needs to be prima facie evidence that could be allowed as evidence in a court of law.