Don't get me started on the arrogance of man Jay. Anyone who seriously ponders the expanses of time, and distance realizes the we are less than a speck of dust on the radar screen of the millenia. A humbling thought. Those that would work to achieve"fame" and power would do better to ponder that the next time they contemplate throw away their principles for notariaty.
Psalm... chapter 8 says it for me.
Tell me Dana, as a Christian, how am I suppose to act. Am I suppose to sit here and read that DH does not believe in our LORD JESUS CHRIST and not say anything?
Edie - I certainly was not saying we shouldn't continue to witness to DH or share God's word with him. Never said it or even implied it, so I am sorry that was your interpretation. You should always speak what God places on your heart to say. We should all say what we mean, without saying it mean.
Christians" telling you that you are an idiot or stupid - I think you should re-read the post. I did not call him a Idiot. I said his ignorance of the Bible was showing.
Edie - I wasn't referring to you or your post. I didn't even know you posted anything until this one that you posted to me. The times that I have seen these things being said was by people who were trying to get through to DH. I know that our frustration and how we show it is what makes us human - I am not saying I have never experienced it! I feel it a lot when I read what he has to say - but I remember how I was there only ten years ago. I'm not preaching nor am I saying I am perfect. I am simply saying that we should treat everyone the exact same way Jesus Christ would treat them if we were He (which, He is living in our hearts if we are Christians - yes?).
But I have to say that you have never (as far as I have seen) personally attacked or belittled anyone because he or she thinks differently than you. - I don't know when you came on this site but maybe you should go back and read all the post by DH. I left the site for a couple of days myself because of him. I was feeling my Christian Love being drained out of me by some of the, how did you put it, attacks or belittling things he was posting to me. I had to take a step back and ask God what he wanted me to do and as always he gave me the strength to continue. I was not looking down on DH, as he was posting things about the Bible and I had every right just like everyone else to put my input into the debate and try and lead him in a direction that he might learn something from the Bible.
I am fairly new and admittedly do not read every post in every forum that I may join in on discussion. DH could very well be simply awful in his responses to others. Even if he is the most disrespectful person here - that does not excuse any of us to speak to him any way other than how Christ expects us to treat him. "Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptible in thy sight, Oh Lord, my strength and my redeemer." (Psalm 19:14)
If it seems like I am mad, it's because I am. I sit here right now asking God to forgive me for losing my cool and to forgive me. But I don't think it is fair that you have judged people like this, when all they are trying to do is spritually enlighten DH. I am no way a perfect Christian. I ask God to forgive me everyday for that of which I might have offended Him. After reading these post I now need to step back again and ask God is this the right site for me. I have been totally hurt and disillusioned. May God Bless You Always. Now I will end this and start on DH's quote which was why I had came back to this to begin with after I got done helping my granddaughter.
Edie - I am not judging anyone. I made a general statement about the things that were being said to DH. I wasn't talking about you or anyone else in particular - nor would I ever single anyone out. Our tones are as bad as our words most often than not and I understand that it is out of pure frustration. We want DH to experience what we know to be true; but we can only lead him to Christ - we can't change his mind for him. We won't lead him anywhere if we are speaking to him unlovingly - no matter how much our hearts are in the right place...but we will push him further away. I am sorry that you are mad and that I had anything to do with making you that way, but making you mad was not my intent. I don't know you. I don't know Dirty Hippie. I do know that I have read responses to him that were not what my God would want for any of us and it was on my heart to say something. I am His humble servant and will carry out His orders. I am sorry you took offense to it.
I apologize to anyone who has felt disrespected or offended by my post. Thank you to those who understand what I was trying to say. Love and blessings to all!
"Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others."
~ Proverbs 12:15, NLT
Sarcasm is so beneath people.
Was that taken as sarcasm?? I am so confused! That is an actual verse in the Bible - how can that be misconstrued as sarcastic? Rachel - We are on the same side here...or at least I thought so anyway. I must be really misrepresenting myself here.
"Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others."
~ Proverbs 12:15, NLT
Gosh, that was really profound Dana. I'm proud of you. It takes a lot of effort to cut and paste and I really admire your tenacity.
I would love to know what you both thought my sharing this bible verse was supposed to mean. Anything I say on this site is heartfelt - never sarcastic...unless it is about Obama and his administration (which I probably need to work on). I don't want to assume that Gareth was being sarcastic. I genuinely and sincerely need to understand this. Thanks in advance.
"Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others."
~ Proverbs 12:15, NLT
Sarcasm is so beneath people.
Was that taken as sarcasm?? I am so confused! That is an actual verse in the Bible - how can that be misconstrued as sarcastic? Rachel - We are on the same side here...or at least I thought so anyway. I must be really misrepresenting myself here.
I realize that is an actual bible scripture but I interpreted that you were calling Gareth a fool which he most certainly is not.
Gareth is one of the most educated people on this forum.
"Fools think their own way is right, but the wise listen to others."
~ Proverbs 12:15, NLT
Sarcasm is so beneath people.
Was that taken as sarcasm?? I am so confused! That is an actual verse in the Bible - how can that be misconstrued as sarcastic? Rachel - We are on the same side here...or at least I thought so anyway. I must be really misrepresenting myself here.
I realize that is an actual bible scripture but I interpreted that you were calling Gareth a fool which he most certainly is not.
Gareth is one of the most educated people on this forum.
Thanks for the clarification Rachel. In all due respect, this is exactly what I have been takling about. When did I say anything to Gareth in that quote? We jump to conclusions and we say things that are hurtful. Not necessarily what you said - but look at what Gareth said to me. And look how sarcastic he was, but in your response to me you commented on what you perceived as sarcastic and then gave Gareth the thumbs up..twice! I don't even know how you two thought I was speaking to him. Rachel - I think you are a sweetheart - you always have something to say in forums that have meaning and value - and usually you are the first to defuse a negative situation. I just am a bit heartbroken about this.
Dana; don't waste your time - if that person had any respect for you, he/she wouldn't've said it.
Geno - thanks for your support, brother - but clearing the air and keeping friends is never a waste of time in my opinion. If I went to bed tonight thinking that Rachel and Gareth thought ill of me, I wouldn't be able to sleep well. Even if they still would want to believe what they believed - I am ok with it as long as I have had a chance to explain myself...they are both worth the effort.
Peace my friend! 
With all do respect to everyone on this forum especially issues related to this particular topic I want to take this opportunity to offer my most sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended my comments!
When I am wrong I will admit it and in my post to Dana I was certainly rude and sarcastic. I deeply regret my remarks and I hope you, Dana, you will accept my apology.
When I spoke of the subject which I introduced and commented using the term "Madness" I sincerely believe that the whole issue became one of boiling contention. To have that happen was never my intent. I wished that I had never brought the subject up.
Finally, in conclusion, I will be leaving this forum and moving on. I have become very uncomfortable when I see issues being fought over. I guess I am too sensitive.
On that note I would like to wish each and everyone of you a fond farewell.
Diolch! (Thank you!)
Gareth
Gareth my friend - thank you for you humbleness and genuineness (is that a word??)!!! This is all forgotten and happy to forget it!
I sent you a personal message - please read it. Don't go!!!
We cannot force you to stay, but please do reconsider. There is more here than meets the eye and you are a part of it.
Sorry, darlin' ... I didn't help matters here. I came in too late (after the initial posts were deleted), and thew my nose up in a classic display of ignorant, sarcastic disdain for the nonsense dividing people(s) who would otherwise be brothers/sisters.
Again ... my apologies for the knee-jerk reaction, if not for the frustration behind it.
