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Yet Another Attempt by DEMOCRATS to DISMANTLE AMERICA!
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Posted 10:13 PM July 28, 2010

Well, wouldn't you know it. Unable to win at the ballot box, the Democrats think it would be better to throw out the whole system that has made America the most prosperous Republic in the world and turn it into a DEMOCRACY. If you don't understand why this is a bad thing... just think: MOB RULE!

DEMOCRATS IN MASSACHUSETTS PASS LAW TO SCRAP ELECTORAL COLLEGE!

The Massachusetts Legislature has approved a new law intended to bypass the Electoral College system and ensure that the winner of the presidential election is determined by the national popular vote.
Poll: Do you think the Electoral College system should stay?

"What we are submitting is the idea that the president should be selected by the majority of people in the United States of America," Senator James B. Eldridge, an Acton Democrat, said before the Senate voted to enact the bill.

Under the new bill, he said, "Every vote will be of the same weight across the country."

But Senate minority leader Richard Tisei said the state was meddling with a system that was "tried and true" since the founding of the country.

"We've had a lot of bad ideas come through this chamber over the years, but this is going to be one of the worst ideas that has surfaced and actually garnered some support," said Tisei, who is also the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor.

The bill, which passed on a 28-to-9 vote, now heads to Democratic Governor Deval Patrick's desk. The governor has said in the past that he supports the bill, said his spokeswoman Kim Haberlin.

Under the law, which was enacted by the House last week, all 12 of the state's electoral votes would be awarded to the candidate who receives the most votes nationally.

Supporters are campaigning, state by state, to get such bills enacted. Once states accounting for a majority of the electoral votes (or 270 of 538) have enacted the laws, the candidate winning the most votes nationally would be assured a majority of Electoral College votes. That would hold true no matter how the other states vote and how their electoral votes are distributed.

Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington have already approved the legislation, according to the National Popular Vote campaign's website. The new system would only go into effect once a sufficient number of states have passed laws that would make it work.

The current Electoral College system is confusing and causes presidential candidates to focus unduly on a handful of battleground states, supporters say. They also say that the popular vote winner has lost in four of the nation's 56 elections.

Presidential candidates now "ignore wide swaths of the country" they consider strong blue or red states and focus their campaigning on contested states, Eldridge said. If the president were picked by national popular vote, he argued, candidates would spread their attention out more evenly.

"That's really what we're talking about is making sure that every voter, no matter where they live, that they're being reached out to," he said.

Opponents say the current system works. They are concerned about a possible scenario where Candidate X wins nationally, but Candidate Y has won in Massachusetts. In that case, all of the state's 12 electoral votes would go to Candidate X, the candidate who was not supported by Massachusetts voters.

Tisei also criticized the proponents for not following the normal procedures to seek a constitutional amendment.

"The thing about this that bothers me the most is it's so sneaky. This is the way that liberals do things a lot of times, very sneaky," he said. "This is sort of an end run around the Constitution."

The measure passed both branches of the Legislature in 2008 but did not make it all the way through the process.

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Posted 10:25 PM July 28, 2010
I have long thought it disingenuous of Pres. Carter to go to other countries to Monitor elections and see fair play and meanwhile Democrats are doing everything they can to cheat in the elections in America.
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Posted 12:07 AM July 29, 2010
As I posted in another thread. First democracy, then anarchy, then.....Cuba.
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Posted 8:07 AM July 29, 2010
I don't understand how they can do this. By doing this anyone who votes against the popular vote automaticly has their vote reversed making it appear that the popular candidate got 100% of the vote. It in effect forces someone to vote for a candidate that may have gotten only one more vote than their choice. This needs to be heavily challenged. They are saying it is so every vote has a voice, but in effect it is changing the vote of nearly 50% of the electorate. The only way this can work is if all 50 states were to agree, and the electoral college were done away with. Otherwise states that agree to it would carry more weight than states that don't because they are changing the votes of their people. This just can't be done!
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Posted 9:52 AM July 30, 2010
Yeah and you know what else is infuriating about this? Like ALL LIBERAL attempts to FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM America this one is being done in virtual secret!

Where is the national debate on this radical alteration to our Constitution!

WHEN ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND OPENLY ADMIT WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY WANT!?

Ironic that it's liberals who are in the closet - as they're always the ones promoting coming out of the closet!
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Posted 9:02 AM July 31, 2010
The biggest problem with this is that if just a couple states go this way every state will have to, or lose their voice. Notice it's only the lib controled states signing on so far. If they do that, every other state will have to throw their full electoral vote behind one or the other or have no effect. At this rate we may as well just have congress elect our president. Save all the trouble of an election. We live in NY. I will certainly NOT be voting for Oboomba in 2012. I will be very upset when all the states votes go for him. My vote will not count.
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Posted 9:10 AM July 31, 2010
Democracy, leads to the dictatorship of the majority, leads to dictators...we are going the way of the USSR. There is s REASON we are Republic. Democracies descend into anarchy when the majority of people vote themselves a living, and those who are enslaved by them (those who actually work) have their property seized and redistributed.
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Posted 12:44 PM July 31, 2010
Like I have said before. First democracy, then anarchy, then ...we live in Cuba. Actually what they are shooting for is more like Venesuela. Why else would they be so buddy buddy with old Hugo. Obama fancies himself in the likeness of Chavez. Eternally elected by 100% of the people. No matter how much they hate him.
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Posted 8:48 PM July 31, 2010
well if we had had the majority vote, we wouldn't have had that mess that was the bush presidency... which then led to my beloved Obama being put in office by an overwhelming vote... oh wait, the electoral college is just fine... lol
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Posted 6:42 AM August 1, 2010
Yeah we would have had the disaster known as the Gore Presidency instead!
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Posted 7:10 AM August 1, 2010
The only up side of a Gore presidency is that Obama would have never seen the inside of the White House except as a tourist.
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Posted 8:26 AM August 1, 2010

alt

Jonathan Cousar said:

Well, wouldn't you know it. Unable to win at the ballot box, the Democrats think it would be better to throw out the whole system that has made America the most prosperous Republic in the world and turn it into a DEMOCRACY. If you don't understand why this is a bad thing... just think: MOB RULE!

DEMOCRATS IN MASSACHUSETTS PASS LAW TO SCRAP ELECTORAL COLLEGE!

The Massachusetts Legislature has approved a new law intended to bypass the Electoral College system and ensure that the winner of the presidential election is determined by the national popular vote.
Poll: Do you think the Electoral College system should stay?

"What we are submitting is the idea that the president should be selected by the majority of people in the United States of America," Senator James B. Eldridge, an Acton Democrat, said before the Senate voted to enact the bill.

Under the new bill, he said, "Every vote will be of the same weight across the country."

But Senate minority leader Richard Tisei said the state was meddling with a system that was "tried and true" since the founding of the country.

"We've had a lot of bad ideas come through this chamber over the years, but this is going to be one of the worst ideas that has surfaced and actually garnered some support," said Tisei, who is also the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor.

The bill, which passed on a 28-to-9 vote, now heads to Democratic Governor Deval Patrick's desk. The governor has said in the past that he supports the bill, said his spokeswoman Kim Haberlin.

Under the law, which was enacted by the House last week, all 12 of the state's electoral votes would be awarded to the candidate who receives the most votes nationally.

Supporters are campaigning, state by state, to get such bills enacted. Once states accounting for a majority of the electoral votes (or 270 of 538) have enacted the laws, the candidate winning the most votes nationally would be assured a majority of Electoral College votes. That would hold true no matter how the other states vote and how their electoral votes are distributed.

Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland, and Washington have already approved the legislation, according to the National Popular Vote campaign's website. The new system would only go into effect once a sufficient number of states have passed laws that would make it work.

The current Electoral College system is confusing and causes presidential candidates to focus unduly on a handful of battleground states, supporters say. They also say that the popular vote winner has lost in four of the nation's 56 elections.

Presidential candidates now "ignore wide swaths of the country" they consider strong blue or red states and focus their campaigning on contested states, Eldridge said. If the president were picked by national popular vote, he argued, candidates would spread their attention out more evenly.

"That's really what we're talking about is making sure that every voter, no matter where they live, that they're being reached out to," he said.

Opponents say the current system works. They are concerned about a possible scenario where Candidate X wins nationally, but Candidate Y has won in Massachusetts. In that case, all of the state's 12 electoral votes would go to Candidate X, the candidate who was not supported by Massachusetts voters.

Tisei also criticized the proponents for not following the normal procedures to seek a constitutional amendment.

"The thing about this that bothers me the most is it's so sneaky. This is the way that liberals do things a lot of times, very sneaky," he said. "This is sort of an end run around the Constitution."

The measure passed both branches of the Legislature in 2008 but did not make it all the way through the process.

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Posted 8:04 PM August 3, 2010

Cindy Gialluca said:
The only up side of a Gore presidency is that Obama would have never seen the inside of the White House except as a tourist.

alt I guess that really is the definition of being between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand Gore in the Whitehousealt

Obama not being in the Whitehouse.alt




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